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A Plea for Sanity in the Cowboy Nation

Bumped from FanPosts - Sam

I made a comment about my feelings after the game, to which samualbryant enjoyed, and suggested I write a fan post. So here we are. As you may have noticed, I removed my 15 reasons to hate OU post. Now, its not that I don't believe in what I wrote, I do. And I still really hate OU, but the negativity of the Nation has gotten kinda crazy here lately, starting with me. I'm going to try and do some soul searching and sunshine pumping, and try to make sense of this crazy ass season we just rode through. So join me and click the jum, if you will, and lets take a walk through the darkness and into the light. 

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Time to say good bye to Kendall Hunter and 15 other seniors. It's been a hell of a ride boys, see y'all on the other side. 

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After the game, the game thread yesterday devolved into a pit of despair, where after one of the single greatest games I've ever witnessed, in person or on TV, we spent no time talking about it and simply tried to insult people. Things were said that were beyond good taste, or even bad taste, with people taking shots at hurt players. I will admit, I was one of them. I went and apologized to the OU fans, more as part of my own changing mentality, but I did regret some of the things I said. I do not, however, excuse the OU fans response. While they were jumped on, they did not respond in a classy manner, and so I chalk that up to some Bedlam rage. Now, I'm in no way asking people to like or respect OU, I still hate them more than is sane. I'm simply asking the Chosen One's to rise above the mindless name calling and insults (but not the mindless cursing, god damnit).

The next thing I'm here to ask of the Nation is to start enjoying the wins. We have reached the point were the fear and disgust of losing is stronger than the joy of winning. We, at least until a few years ago, were one of the top party schools in the nation. I remember friends from high school who went to different schools visiting me because our party's raged. For several reasons, including the police, our famous parties may be a thing of the past. But, and this is important, that doesn't mean the fun is behind us. We can still tailgate our ass's off, and we can still throw a bash after a game. I just think that the culture around our football team has gotten out of control. We are told by the administration, that the only way to be successful is to pay outrageous prices, not have games on pay per view, and make some games "premium". I will return to this later, back to enjoying the wins.

Myself and samuelbryant had similar thoughts during the game, remembering the motto "win or lose, we still booze". Back in those days, loses rolled off our backs, and we celebrated every win like it was the last one we may ever get. I'm not asking the Nation to ignore losses, they should, and do, hurt. Before the game yesterday there was a huge emotional buildup, of both fans and players. This led us to believe that Nebraska was a fluke, that we were done losing close games. Unfortunately, that's not true yet, though I believe the days of us laying down in the 4th quarter are gone. But this build up made yesterdays loss devastating, to the point one loss has led some of us to believe the season was a bust. Well, thats fucking bullshit, we won 10 games, fair and square, after everyone thought we would finish last in the South. We are co Big 12 South champs, and will get a pretty sweet bowl game out of this season. We won 10 games in the regular season for the first time ever, and have a shot at an 11 win season. That's a successful season even by the toughest standards. We need to celebrate this. 

Back to the culture the administration has fostered, and I believe that this has a lot to do with why the fun is leaving football. Certain facts, that the administration (by administration, I mean Mike Holder) has tried to ignore, are making football less fun.

Fact number 1: We will probably never sell out an 80,000 plus capacity stadium. We don't have the graduates to do it. Does this mean we can never be successful? Hell no, look at what TCU is doing. This also means that keeping fans out of the stadium because they are not "with it" enough to by season tickets is ridiculous. The administration also believes that casual fans are the problem, and I say this is crap. Holder only wants the fans who can pony up 500 plus donation or more per ticket. He doesn't seem to care that for a family of 4 thats a minimum of $2200 after tax, and thats a lot a green. That doesn't include travel expenses, lodging expenses (if you can get a room) and food before, during, and after the game. We keep hearing that this is the "cost to compete", but I just don't believe that means forcing people to buy season tickets to get tickets to a single game. 

Fact number 2: Until we actually do it, Oklahoma State fans should not expect, or demand, championships. In the history of this conference, only 2 teams besides OU and Texas have won it (Texas A&M the first year, and Kansas State in 2003). If that doesn't tell you what an uphill battle we face, I don't know what will. This doesn't mean we shouldn't expect excellence from our players and coaches, it means we shouldn't demand perfection. There were several coaching moves and strategies from Saturday which deserve questioning, and I hope they will be. This also, is not a loser attitude. All we should want is for our boys to play their dicks off, and leave it on the field.

Fact number 3: Boomer Sooner is still the worst song in the history of the universe, and hats off the the sound guy who played that song over them every time they played it. I did not have to listen to that travesty of a song one time. I must ask, though, who the hell approved allowing the OU band to take our field. I say screw them, stay in the stands. 

I recognize that Mike Holder has done great things for this University, but its time to send him a message. We need to stop taking his abuse, and his price hikes. We pay more for season tickets than Alabama fans do, and thats insane. Hell, we're not even selling out. It seems we would get more money if we sold the stadium out for a lower price than to keep 15,000 seats empty. 

The last thing I want to discuss with the Nation today is our reaction to this season. Let's not spoil it by calling for coaches heads. I know there is already a fan post calling for a couple coaches skulls on pikes, and I hope that was out of rage after the loss than a truthful wish. Yes, there were many times this year that special teams, for lack of a better word, fucked up big. Yes, the defense made a few mistakes yesterday that, while not totally costing us the game, really put us behind the 8 ball. And yes, the offensive play calling was unimaginative and simple. But, Chosen One's, the Nation, Cowboy fans, there is no reason to want a single coach fired. Until yesterday we were the 3rd best offense in the FBS. Our defense was not great, but we have so many young (but badass) players on the team. And as far as yesterday, OU's defensive scheme was spectacular, this can't be denied. They had a plan to contain the screen game, and our offense is based around that. Combine this with Justin Blackmon's injury, and Kendall unable to get free, and I'm damn impressed we scored as much as we did. Now, I do believe there was a better way to utilize Blackmon than those dink and dunk passes, relying on him cutting on a bad wheel, but he somehow still got 100 yards and a score. 

In conclusion, my brothers, I'm asking to bring the fun back to football. We have transitioned from being those crazy, hard partying, shit talking, good time guys, who celebrate the good times, to a bunch of whiny OU type fans who don't give a shit about a win, but call for blood after a loss. We are better than this, and this season should only give us hope. Look ahead to next year. Go ahead, look. I did, and it gave me wood. We were supposed to be terrible this year, and we sit here at 10-2, with wins over the entire states of Texas and Kansas. Our young defensive players will be experienced defensive players, Blackmon will be back, so will Weeden and most of our O line. We have stud running backs ready to take over, and receivers who can play. So, Cowboys and Cowgirls (if there are any of you here), lets get our fucking game faces on, get to San Antonio (or where ever the bowl is), get drunk, and cheer our collective balls and ovaries out for these boys as they fight for win number 11. 

LETS GO POKES, BEAT THE HELL OUTTA (insert bowl opponent here)

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This is impressive.

My apologies to anyone I may have offended here. That was certainly not my intention and it may be too late, but I’d very much prefer to be a positive representation of Sooner Nation rather than the d-bag version. I can honestly say, after last night, I have a new found begrudging respect for OSU. Keep up the good work here fellas!

"I don't like Texas. I don't like the city of Austin. And I don't like the color orange. It reminds me of puke." The Boz

by Jordan Esco on Nov 28, 2010 9:14 PM CST reply actions  

You didn't offend me, but I don't think I can be offended.

And while our little pissing match was humorous, I believe we’re both above that crap. So I still plan on cursing, damnit, but only it a more positive manner. Good luck next week. While part of me wants to see OU lose, most of me wants you to kick the traitors to the big 10 with a loss.

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by AUKingOState on Nov 28, 2010 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Let me hear it. I would love to hear what you think.

I am not a mike holder fan, but if you are tell me why.

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by AUKingOState on Nov 28, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Where do you think funding comes from?

Take a look at what our athletic budget was before the policy. Take a look at it now. I realize that a lot of fans don’t think Mike Holder isn’t appeasing them but that is NOT his job. He has to run an athletic department and must make decisions that will help its cause. You may not like ticket prices being high but I guarantee the girl’s soccer team likes their uniforms and the men’s baseball team likes new helmets. I’m sure you would also like to give OC Holgorsen and DC Young raises to keep their services. What do you think funds that?

Besides that, look at the results of his ticket policy. Season ticket sales and average game attendance are at all-time highs. Also, if a family of four wants to watch the games they can do so without a donor fee for $1200 in the WEZ. $40 per game sounds pretty reasonable to me.

The bottom line is that you can’t work a part time job at Best Buy and expect to afford and drive a Rolls-Royce. Boone Pickens has given over half of a billion dollars to OSU. Are we really so selfish not to give up a few hundred per person?

by Royal John on Nov 28, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, the funding must come from us, but what I saw yesterday

was the WEZ, student section, and north side full, whereas the southside had giant holes. I want to see those filled for bedlam, or Texas. And the club seats are half empty. I’m not saying everyone deserves club seats or 50 yard line for cheap, but I would love to see a full stadium. And, while I love all osu sports, I don’t pay to see soccer or baseball, I do for football. And, he deserves credit for getting Boone on board, but people followed boones lead as much as they did holders. But, that premium game thing irritates me. And I know we’re not the only ones who do it, but we don’t have to follow people. And I still don’t see how they lose money on PPV. It just seems that there are different ways to fill a stadium and still make money, and not shaft the academic side, as well.

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by AUKingOState on Nov 28, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

A full stadium

gets recruits, looks better on TV and can make your stadium a tough place to play. Think teams like to play at Memorial Stadium? Hell no! It’s intimidating and we keep it as loud as possible! They’ve got to find a way to allow more “Joe average” fans into the OSU games!

by soonergal5 on Nov 29, 2010 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

The lack of a full stadium

Has more to do with fan apathy than ticket prices, unfortunately. OSU simply isn’t at the level yet where the demand is there.

by Royal John on Nov 30, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

What Up King??

“I know there is already a fan post calling for a couple coaches skulls on pikes…” Thanks for the plug! You’re right it was more rage than sincere sentiment. I don’t actually want any of our coaches to go anywhere because as you said this is as good as the program has ever been. I just wish we hadn’t been so out coached last night.

Thanks for the reminder to booze win or lose. I think you might be right about the culture shift and though some of the changes are welcome (NOT THE TICKET POLICY) I hope the one thing that never changes is that OSU fans are THE MOST FUN to party with!

For what it's worth...

by Something Witty on Nov 28, 2010 11:11 PM CST reply actions  

I am hugely disappointed in special teams this year.

I head talk about not having the athletes to run a good special teams unit and it makes me smile. Special teams is like, if you can’t do anything else play on special teams. And, talent or not, they could at least get in the right position. But,
Deforest is a good recruiter, and one bad year shouldn’t get him fired. Now, two bad years…

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by AUKingOState on Nov 28, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Fact 2: Well...

…both Nebraska and Colorado have won the BigXII. Though to make the same point, only those six teams plus Mizzou have played in the Conference Title Game. So, in addition to Oklahoma State, four other teams never made the BigXII title game, and I doubt OSU would want to change positions with any of those four. The point about expectations is perfectly valid though. Why not ask when was the last time Oklahoma State won a conference/division title in football regardless of what league the team was in? Expecting or demanding that they win one smacks of an outright delusional fan base that has lost touch with reality.

I think the MIke Holder critique is fair, but I’m sure that they figured out how to squeeze the most money out of the ticket arrangements. Those guys aren’t stupid, and I’m sure they’re smart enough to have run models on what packages at what price points will bring in the most money even if that means that some seats are empty at every game, but, that is exactly the problem. They’ve arranged the ticketing system to maximize the money they can get from it. That would be fine if it were a business, and believe me I don’t think it’s a charity, but an athletic department is not a private business. It’s an arm of the institution that should be run to benefit the students and alumni. That means it shouldn’t necessarily make as much money as possible. [At the same time, the fact that someone who doesn’t make a lot of money can’t afford to take his whole family to the game without making a lot of sacrifices doesn’t bother me a bit. Significant numbers of people not being able to afford particular luxuries is a fact of a free-market capitalist economy, and it shouldn’t be expected that sporting events ought to somehow operate in a vacuum outside of the larger system that orders the rest of all economic activity and the very system that makes expensive endeavors like college football possible in the first place.]

Now, it may be that they’ve decided that they need to bring in as much money as possible in the short term in order to run the athletic department in the way that best benefits the students and alumni into the future, but if so, they’ve done a poor job of communicating that. Unless you’re Texas or Ohio State, some balance of what you have now vs. what you may want for the future has to be struck, and it’s their call to strike that balance however they see fit, but it’s fair to question that decision if you offer a different balance and a reason for striking it. I’m sure the baseball team loves their new helmets, but the students and alums may be better served by having a full stadium on saturdays than by having the ability to watch a volley ball team with new uniforms. When conference realignment rolls around the next time, all anyone will care about is the state of the football program (just ask Kansas), and while the improvements to the stadium are a big step forward, among the teams Oklahoma State will be competing with for a seat at the big-boys’ table, the stadium is now basically average at best. Face it, without the close ties to OU, Oklahoma State is not getting any close looks from a forming super conference, but with those ties the program is virtually assured some serious consideration. When the beauty contest arrives, the football program needs to be ready for fierce competition to be a part of college athletics’ inner circle. Zero sell-outs or capacity crowds since renovating isn’t helping, and nobody but nobody will care about the track uniforms.

by BigFatScott on Nov 29, 2010 12:37 AM CST reply actions  

realignment is all about television market share

they don’t care about how many sellouts you have, it is how many eyeballs can you attract to the television screen

This is the one area where leveraging Blackmon, Holgerson, Hunter, etc, would help the school and the program the most in the bowl game.

by Beergut on Nov 29, 2010 1:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Again

Holder’s job is not to appease the fanbase or alumni. It is to do what is best for the athletic department. Football may be king but he cannot simply ignore all of the other sports on campus simply because they aren’t as popular. He has done and will continue to do what he has to in order to generate the funding needed for the entire athletic department (which also includes football).

King, do you want to see those holes filled so badly that you wouldn’t mind if it is the other team’s fanbase that is filling them? Because that is exactly what would happen. If the prices were left the same and single game tickets were available, I guarantee we would have seen a lot more crimson in those areas than orange. Imagine how much worse would it have been if the tickets were cheaper.

Everyone acts like lowering the ticket price is the key. I hate to tell you this but I doubt it would make a strong difference. Better yet, what happens if it doesn’t? What if everyone’s speculation over high ticket prices ends up being wrong? Let’s say Holder decreases the ticket price substantially and attendance barely goes up. Then OSU still doesn’t have a full stadium AND has much less revenue than they do now.

When you look at reasons for an empty stadium, you don’t need to look at the ticket prices. You need to look at the apathetic fans who are finding any excuse not to make a contribution to the school they root for.

by Royal John on Nov 29, 2010 8:46 AM CST reply actions  

Royal, I like the fact you haven't yet

called me a dick. I see your point, but the athletic department serves the school, and its fans and alumni. What if he pissed everyone off? What if he pissed Boone off? Boone didn’t give money for the hell of it, he wants big crowds and wins. But, the point of this post wasn’t to attack Mike Holder, it was to showcase a changing attitude towards sports, one which I feel is negative. And I feel this change starts at the top. I want wins, but not at the expense of the family atmosphere the used to be here.

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by AUKingOState on Nov 29, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

The Athletic Department does not serve the fans or alumni.

It only serves the athletics. It will do what is best for those athletics. That is what a lot of people do not understand. His job is to create revenue so that all of OSU’s sports, coaches, and players can thrive and continue to have success.

Now if at some point the high prices begin to affect the revenue negatively, Holder will make a change. If enough people stop buying season tickets because of the prices, I have no doubt that the ticket prices will fall. But for now, revenue remains at all time highs due to the policies Holder has created and enforced.

by Royal John on Nov 29, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Great post King

Mo money mo problems..

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by CincyJoe on Nov 29, 2010 9:36 AM CST reply actions  

thats what biggie said

problem is, we need the grip, but nobody wants to give it up. I just wanna get piss drunk and enjoy the games again. Now, there’s 75 cops per section, if you get caught drinking your out. At La Tech they sell brew in the stadium, thats how I want OSU to roll.

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by AUKingOState on Nov 29, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

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