Mike Gundy's Legacy Dilemma
In 1989 Pamela Anderson became semi-famous for her looks. She was discovered in the crowd at a CFL game and almost immediately was hired for some modeling gigs, then appeared on the cover of Playboy later that year. She was strikingly beautiful (like super super hott... you should really do yourself a favor and GIS pictures of her from 1989-ish), and appeared to have a promising career ahead of her as a... um.. model, or actress, or something that very pretty people do. In early 1990, no one doubted that she would be successful, but what level of success she would attain would have been a more difficult prediction. Right around this time, she got herself some giant implants... and you know the rest of the story. Home Improvement to Baywatch to movies, all while appearing in Playboy almost every year along the way. For most of the 90's, 00's, and even today, she is the point of reference for the large-breasted, gorgeous, blond bombshell. She has been a star for 20 years, and will forever be remembered alongside Marilyn Monroe, Farrah Fawcett, et al. as a cultural defining sexual icon, but due to the augments, will also be viewed as less pure than them. So the question is, could Pamela have done this without the implants? There is no doubt that her path would have been different, but she did appear to be headed for greatness before the enhancement, so would it have happened either way? Would she have still become a sexual icon without the DD's?
Assuming the Oklahoma State football program continues to improve, and Mike Gundy stays right where he is for 10+ more years, his legacy will face a similar question: Is Mike Gundy a great coach and program builder, or is he an decent coach that has benefited greatly from a facility improvement that coincided with his tenure? (facility improvement = DD implants. See, I eventually tied that all together.)
Like Pam, in 1990 Mike Gundy appeared destined for a bright future. A recent graduate of Oklahoma State he was hired on as receivers coach, then moved to quarterback coach with his Alma Mater. He spent the 90's and early 00's gaining coaching experience and succeeding wherever he went, finally culminating in attaining his dream job as the head coach at Oklahoma State. Most liked the hire as Mike seemed like a coach on the rise and many expected him to lead the Cowboys to success. Well right around this time, Mr. Pickens donated a DD sized amount of money to Oklahoma State and you know the rest of the story.
In Gundy's case, just like Pam's, there is no way to separate the person from the enhancement. Two straight 9 win seasons, four straight bowl games, a short lived #5 ranking, a 2011 recruiting class that will likely end up being ranked a top 10 class.... these are all things that almost never happen at Oklahoma State, and they have all happened under Gundy. He has already accomplished things that none of the previous 21 coaches at Oklahoma State could accomplish, and further improvement not only seems likely, it is expected... yet, how often do you hear anyone refer to Gundy as a great coach? And the thing is... he may be a great coach. If Gundy were fully credited for the improvements of the last few years, as coaches usually are, he would widely be considered a great coach. But in Gundy's case, there is no way to isolate his performance from the program enhancement, so the perception of the job he has done, and will continue to do, is mixed.
The upcoming season is a great microcosm of the perception problems Gundy will face (and has faced) for his entire head coaching career. In spite of all his accomplishments, Gundy finds himself in a lose/lose situation heading into 2010 in that, if Ostate has a down year, the cries of "All these facilities at his disposal and all we get is a 6-6 season!" will rain down from the fans, media, and possibly T. Boone himself. However, if OSU finishes better than expected, it will be attributed to finally experiencing a "reloading" rather than "rebuilding" year, which directly refers to the recruiting, which as of late has been mostly attributed to the facilities. Five years into Gundy's tenure, and he already has an asterisk placed next to every accomplishment, and is blamed for any shortcomings.
Now, back to his legacy, Gundy will probably never be considered a bad coach, any more than Pamela would ever be considered unattractive... however, whatever Mike accomplishes, or fails to accomplish, will always be mentioned in conjunction with the facility improvement, so really he has almost no opportunity to ever be regarded as a great coach. I don't know that Mike himself cares about things like this, but as fans, and especially as blog reading fans, legacies and perception are a big part of what we do care about. So while it is too bad for us that Gundy may have a ceiling placed on his legacy, I'm sure he would be just fine with having to share the glory of a few Big XII championships with his $165 million dollar enhancements. After all, I doubt that Pamela minds her T's being mentioned alongside her name, if the rest of that sentence is comparing her to Marilyn.
But the questions will always linger... Should Gundy be given credit for current and future performance improvements at Oklahoma State?... and is it even possible to evaluate Gundy's legacy on its own?
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The legacy of a coach will always be evaluated in context. The facility improvements could only possibly influence the comparison of Gundy to Miles. From that end, I don’t think Gundy has anything to worry about as Les Miles, most of us can agree, is a douchebag. Gundy’s legacy as a coach will ultimately be determined by his successor.
Also, DD’s : facility improvements :: sex on a boat : __________ ?
by Magnificent Bastard on Aug 12, 2010 8:23 AM CDT reply actions
Dbag or not
At least miles could beat ou. He went 2-8 against ou and Texas, gundy is a fat 0-10.
by AUKingOState on Aug 12, 2010 9:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Miles went 2-6 against OU and Texas, but point taken.
Overall, their records are nearly identical:
Miles: 28-21, 0.57 overall (16-16, 0.50 Big 12)
Gundy: 36-27, 0.57 overall (19-21, 0.48 Big 12)
Neither record indicates greatness. But, just to be clear: Do you consider Miles a better football coach based on those two wins over OU? Would Miles have turned 2-6 into (number greater than 2)-(number less than 16) had he stayed?
My thinking is that the comparison to Miles is a wash and Gundy’s legacy will be determined by whoever comes next.
by Magnificent Bastard on Aug 12, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree, gundys legacy will be compared to who is next
And I don’t want to sound like I’m a miles fan, because I’m not. I think gundy wins over miles if he can beat either ou or Texas this year and get 7 other wins. But, as far as great, gundy can still get there, if we can start beating ou/Tex and stop choking in big bowl games. God help us if we ever beat ou AND Texas. Stillwater would look like Katrina hit.
by AUKingOState on Aug 12, 2010 11:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, every coach is judged in context
However, I think gundys context is more extreme than most. But this does bring up one of the more interesting discussions regarding gundy.
There are grumblings out there that gundy should be on a short leash. Is this because there is a part of us that needs to see another coach in this environment, in order to give us some contrast? It is the same as a scientist removing variables in order to properly evaluate a single factor.
by samuelbryant on Aug 12, 2010 10:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Michigan all over again.
If what you are suggesting is true, I hope people look at what happened at Michigan before going with a knee-jerk reaction.
Lloyd Carr was one of the greatest coaches in Michigan history. He was forced into retirement because boosters, fans, alumni, etc. couldn’t stand the fact that he couldn’t beat Ohio State on a regular basis. Now look at them. Rich Rod has turned the program into a joke. It’s riddled with NCAA infractions, it fights to produce .500 seasons, and they STILL can’t beat Ohio State.
How many Michigan fans wish they would have kept their mouth shut now?
And aTm with RC Slocum.
They have sucked ever since.
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by Mulliganville on Aug 16, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Stop the obsession
With the games versus OU and Texas already. My God, they are just games just as important as any other. Miles beat OU twice yet ended up with the same or worse record as Gundy in the last two years. So that also means that Miles lost to teams he shouldn’t have lost to that Gundy beat.
So which would you prefer? An upset over OU and a loss to a team you should have beat or a loss to OU and beat every team you’re expected to?
I'll take victory over ou any day.
Lloyd Carr was in trouble because they lost to Ohio state and in their bowl games. At the time rich rod was a hot coach, so they jumped on him. Also, we still lose to teams we shouldn’t *cough*Houston*cough*. And losing to ou isn’t the only thing, losing 27-0 and getting 40 yards in the second half is just terrible.
by AUKingOState on Aug 12, 2010 12:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
To AUKingOState
In Carr’s final season Michigan beat the better ranked Florida in their bowl game and Carr was named Big 10 coach of the year. Rich Rod may have been the “hot coach” but as everyone can clearly see, that doesn’t always make it the right decision. Are you trying to tell me that people are happier now with Rodriguez than they were with Carr?
Yes, we still lose to teams we shouldn’t but that wasn’t the point I was making. I’m asking if a win over OU is worth a loss to someone you should have beaten. And while the 27-0 loss stung, it all counts the same even if we had lost 27-26. Again, people need to get over their obsession with OU. It’s just another game on the schedule. If you don’t want them on a pedistool then don’t put them up there.
Nobodys happier with rr
I never said they were. But if I remember correctly Lloyd Carr announced he was leaving during the season did he not? And my point isn’t that we can do better than gundy, he really wants to be here, not just use us as a stepping stone. My point is that to be considered a great coach he must start beating ou or Texas. And why shouldn’t I want that game more? The series, in football, isn’t close. So beating ou is special. Same with Texas. So yes, if beating ou means losing to Baylor, I’m fine with that, because the big “12” will go through either Austin or Norman 90 percent of the time.
by AUKingOState on Aug 13, 2010 10:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly!
I couldn’t agree more. I really think there are alot of OSU fans that would rather lose to someone like Baylor or Iowa State and beat OU or Texas. I’ve been an OSU fan for a long time and will never bitch about a 9 win season. I don’t care who we beat to get there. Would it be nice to consistently beat OU and Texas? Sure! But we still have some work to do before we get to that point…
Gundy is making good progress, and in my mind – that’s all you can ask for.
9 win seasons
Are basses and should be celebrated. Two years ago they were. But last year ended so badly that it took away from the accomplishment. However, I hope it taught gundy a lesson. Loyalty is great and I’m for that. But if somebody cant go you gotta change. If we win 9 this year I’ll be pumped.
by AUKingOState on Aug 12, 2010 12:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Instead of basses
It should be badass. Stupid iPhone autocorrect.
by AUKingOState on Aug 12, 2010 1:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Gundy did a great thing
by firing himself as OC. He also hired one hell of a replacement.
I think that good coaching and preparation on offense can overcome inexperience and contribute to points on the board.
This action indicates Gundy wants to keep his job and is shrewd enough to identify a problem even if it was him. This move will make him better as he will have time to devote to the team as a whole and have one more good recruiter.
9 wins is not out of the question this year.
Also, my perspective with OU and Texas is that it is going to take a long time for us to compete on their level. Just in pure economics, it is going to take several more T. Boone contributions to put us on half of the economic footing of the other two. If we are to compete on a regular basis with them, it’s going to take 5-15 more years of consistent winning and recruiting to get us there. It’s a shrewd observation about Lloyd Carr. MU has the economics, but that can’t overcome poor management and recruiting. Heck, look at A&M. They have more money than most and they have sucked for a long time.
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