Welcome to BlogPoll
by samuelbryant on Aug 19, 2010 6:00 AM CDT
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PrintBlogPoll has arrived, and the preliminary Cowboys Ride For Free Week 1 ballot is in. Our ballot is what it is, a guess of how good everyone is before anyone has seen them play, but it is in. For those unfamiliar with BlogPoll, check out the site here.
For those that hate clicking, BlogPoll is basically a Blog... Poll. And to take the description straight from the site:
The BlogPoll is structured exactly like the AP and Coaches' polls, except the voting members are active bloggers who write about college football.
Voters submit a draft ballot on Monday that they post on their site. They then solicit feedback from their readers and submit a revised ballot early Wednesday. These ballots are then compiled into the poll Wednesday afternoon.
So we get to all have a voice in a poll that may actually make sense. Take a look at the week 1 ballot below and let us know what you like and what you don't, and we will use that feedback to update our ballot.
As for the in-season rankings, we were thinking of going with some form of a merit based ranking system where each team is rewarded for their performances to date, rather than just shuffling teams up and down around their previous weeks ranking. We were pretty proud of the formula we were developing yesterday when we discovered that someone had beat us to the punch (dicks). We were binging the googles when we stumbled upon the SBNation Iowa blog at about 1:00 CST yesterday to discover that they had posted their ranking system which was pretty similar in methodology to ours. How they overheard our conversation, then stole our idea and applied our method to their rankings from 2009, then posted about it yesterday is still unclear, but what is clear is that this is the first time someone has ever had the same idea as someone else on the internet. This is not to say we still won't do it, we are just a little saddened by the fact that we will not be pioneers (feel bad for us).
So in addition to letting us know what you think about the week 1 poll, let us know your views on rankings in general, what you feel should dictate teams being rewarded and punished in the rankings, and how we can come up with some method that ensures all Big 10 teams will drop out of the polls after week 1.
CowboysRideForFree Ballot - Week 1
| Rank | Team | Delta |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Alabama Crimson Tide | -- |
| 2 | Texas Longhorns | -- |
| 3 | Florida Gators | -- |
| 4 | Boise St. Broncos | -- |
| 5 | Ohio St. Buckeyes | -- |
| 6 | TCU Horned Frogs | -- |
| 7 | Oklahoma Sooners | -- |
| 8 | Virginia Tech Hokies | -- |
| 9 | Oregon Ducks | -- |
| 10 | Iowa Hawkeyes | -- |
| 11 | Penn St. Nittany Lions | -- |
| 12 | Miami Hurricanes | -- |
| 13 | LSU Tigers | -- |
| 14 | USC Trojans | -- |
| 15 | Pittsburgh Panthers | -- |
| 16 | Wisconsin Badgers | -- |
| 17 | Nebraska Cornhuskers | -- |
| 18 | Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets | -- |
| 19 | Arkansas Razorbacks | -- |
| 20 | Georgia Bulldogs | -- |
| 21 | Florida St. Seminoles | -- |
| 22 | North Carolina Tar Heels | -- |
| 23 | West Virginia Mountaineers | -- |
| 24 | Utah Utes | -- |
| 25 | Oregon St. Beavers | -- |
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Merit Based is the way to go
—I would suggest disregarding margin of victory – or at least minimizing its impact. A lot of stats do say that this is a key indicator of a good team – - but I think it only works if teams are operating under the assumption that it isn’t being measured. If they know it is being measured, they play differently and inflate margins.
Just my $0.02.
by OStateJasper on Aug 19, 2010 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good poll, a couple of points
Is USC allowed to be ranked in the coaches poll? Just wondering. Also, I like the Oregon state love. And, how tough is it to be ranked in your polls. What does it take to go from unranked to ranked? Anyways, pretty good.
by AUKingOState on Aug 19, 2010 9:05 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
USC is not allowed to be ranked in coaches
But they were available in here, so we threw them in.
As for the unranked to ranked question… that is what we are still figuring out, and hoping to get some input from you guys as to how that process should be done. Under a pure merit based system, you would take all 120 teams, look at what they have done, and rank based purely on what they have accomplished.
So for example, after week 1 of 2009; a merit based system may have had a top 3 of:
1. BYU (defeated #3 OU)
2. Alabama (defeated #7 VT)
3. Oklahoma State (defeated #13 Georgia)
While #6 Ohio State, and #22 Iowa would have been bounced from the rankings with narrow victories over Navy and Northern Iowa respectively.
Granted this still puts some weight on the preseason polls, and makes assumptions about which victories are impressive, but it at least attempts to reward performance over just purely shuffling preseason rankings around.
We are still coming up with our formula, and will post it before the season starts, but we were hoping to get some input from readers as to what you feel should be valued when ranking teams.
by samuelbryant on Aug 19, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Merit based could be good.
I would love to see more emphasis on playing ranked teams. If someone beats a ranked team, even by a point, I think it should count for much more than slaughtering the citadel by 70. And on the unranked to ranked, even though I brought it up I still have no idea how it should work. But, if osu gets to 5-0 I think that we should at least be in the top 20. But I’m a homer.
by AUKingOState on Aug 19, 2010 10:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Bye Weeks
How do you feel about teams being leap-frogged if they have a bye week?
With the merit based system
… in theory you are wiping the slate clean every week. You basically arent even acknowledging the previous weeks poll, so there really is no such thing as leapfrogging… but that is a pretty naive answer..
For a more straightforward answer, I would say that I think a team can be leapfrogged on a bye week. If teams behind you have improved their resume while yours stayed stagnant, then they should be rewarded for that. Every team has byes so everyone should have the same opportunities throughout the season.
by samuelbryant on Aug 20, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I think i can simplify things a little here
rather than all the things i have written above… I think the question of ranking really comes down to 2 choices. Do we want to rank teams:
1. In order of how good we think each team is
2. In order of most impressive accomplishments to date
For example, if week 1, Alabama beats San Jose St by 30, and somehow Rice beats Texas… who should be ranked #1?
Everyone would agree that Bama is the better team, but Rice has accomplished more. So in traditional rankings Alabama stays at #1, but in a merit based system Rice is now the #1 team in the nation.
by samuelbryant on Aug 20, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
17: Nebraska Cornhuskers
GRRRRRRRRRR.
Nah, its ok. The nice thing about polls is that they’re mobile. And based on the system you guys have, previous ranks don’t matter a whole lot. So opinions on a team can be changed rapidly as they either struggle to beat Podunk State or absolutely murder a quality Big Six team.
Oh and welcome to the Big 12 community on SB Nation. Always thought it was weird that OSU didn’t have a blog on here. Hopefully we’ll have a fun season together before we make our move.
-JD
"My hardest job is to convince the people of Nebraska that 10-1 is not a losing season." - Tom Osborne
you'd
think that asshole that runs the Nebraska site would have announced that we have a Cowboys site or something.
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by Jon Johnston on Aug 21, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
After the top 8...
… we felt like there was a drop-off in talent. So from 9 on we just placed each school name next to the number that corresponded to the number of girls we have nailed from each school. Using this ranking system Oklahoma State ended up ranked at #592.
by samuelbryant on Aug 21, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
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