2011 Oklahoma State Basketball Preview, Part 1 | Who we lost, retained, and gained
I remember back when I was in sports-blogging school.. I was in Mr Bloggins "How to Gain Traffic" class, and his rule #2 for assuring that a post would receive a huge number of views (rule #1 was "titties, titties, titties") was, "When the football team from the school you cover is #3 in the BCS and controls their own path to the NC game for the first time in school history, make sure and write about basketball".... so here we are.
Believe it or not, we are only a couple weeks away from this bball season actually kicking off, and Travis Ford and the fellas have been hard at work for 2 weeks now getting ready for it. This is the first of an as-yet-undetermined number of posts that will preview the Cowboy basketball team. This one will be about the bros. You know, the dudes that will be running and jumping and shooting and hopefully winning on the white maple over the next 6 months.
This season is a bit of an oddity in Stillwater. Typically, Oklahoma State basketball has worked on a cycle. We graduate a group of nice players who had just completed a nice run, then the next two years or so are spent in a tweener stage where performance drops off a little as some juco transfers fill in the gaps while the younger guys gain experience (the Boggan teams, Mo Baker teams, etc). Then after a few seasons the young-ins aren't so young and have now blossomed into a solid team that is playing back at a high level. Well, 2011 is bucking this trend. This is the first season I can remember where OSU is losing a large number of veterans, gaining a bunch of young guys, and is expected to outperform the prior seaon's results.... and by a lot.
So what are we losing? Statistically, a ton. 7 of the 12 players that saw significant playing time last season are gone, and with them a large chunk of the scoring, rebounding, fouling (oh, how I will miss Matt Pilgrim's fouls), etc. Here they are represented with a pretty picture to lessen the blow.
Each pie represents the 2010-11 stats for this category. The black slice represents the percentage of that pie that is no longer with the team, the orange represents what % is coming back.
That is a lot of statistics walking out the door.
Who We Lost
| Player | Reason left | Notes |
|---|---|---|
| Marshall Moses | eligibility expired | Playing in Europe |
| Matt Pilgrim | eligibility expired | Playing in Europe. Although I did hear from a good source that Matt has open invites to try out for a few NBA teams once the lockout is over. As the biggest believer in the potential of Matt Pilgrim, even more so than Matt himself, I would love to see him get a shot just to see if he can be coached into becoming the great player his physical talents suggest he should be |
| Darrell Williams | Pending charges | Darrell's court date was moved back to May, and he is not allowed to be a part of the team until the case is settled. As far as I know, he is still affiliated with OSU and could return after the court date if he is cleared of everything. |
| Jarred Shaw | Transferred to Utah State | The rumor was that Ford wanted to play more uptempo this season and Shaw realized he wouldn't fit well with that style so he asked to be released so he could transfer. He will redshirt this season. |
| Ray Penn | Transferred to Texas Southern | Ray battled Coach Ford all last season and was eventually suspended and dropped from the team just before the Big 12 tournament. |
| Nick Sidorakis | eligibility expired | No idea |
| Roger Franklin | Transferred to North Texas | Roger transferred to be closer to his father who has multiple serious health issues. |
Who We Retained
Keiton Page - The under-under-under sized three point specialist returns for his 13th season in Stillwater. Hopefully this season he can return to his role of contibutor, and away from his 2010-2011 role as creator.
Jean-Paul Olukemi - JP returns after a fantastic, if bumpy, first season at OSU. His physical talents are through the roof (as is the trend with this team now), he is one of the better slashers we have ever had, and he can do a bunch of little things very well. His targeted areas of improvement from last year are consistency and outside shooting.
Markel Brown - Possibly the best overall talent on the team. Markell's game is... for lack of a better word... beautiful. He is smooth and controlled and posseses the entire skill set. If he were a baseball player we would call him a 5-tool player. Where Markell needs to improve is in his decision making and on-ball defending.
Reger Dowell - Dowell and Gulley (and possibly Guererro) will be competing all season for time at that PG position. Dowell brings a big-time slashing and scoring element to the position and is a fantastic drive-and-kick passer. He needs to improve on running the offense in a half-court set, and on-ball defending.
Fred Gulley - The oft-injured Gulley will make a go of it again. Gulley is the best passer on the team, but his liability as an unreliable scoring threat allows defenses to sag off him and clog the lane.
Who We Redshirted
These are the names we heard a lot about last season, but never got to see play as they retained their redshirt status all year.
Michael Cobbins - Marshall Moses compared him to the Morris Twins from Kansas. Cobbins game was ready last season, but his body needed to add about 30 pounds. He is getting there. He is listed at 220 and I talked to someone that saw him a couple months ago who said that he looked much bigger than last year. Hopefully he can gain the size to play All-Big12 level ball, because he definitely has the ability.
Brian Williams - Was also considered game ready last season, but was redshirted to gain experience and to "ground" him a little. All reports out of practice were that Williams could have possibly been starting last season had he been in the lineup, but with the nice talent already at the 2 (Page, Brown, Sidorakis), Ford thought it best to give him a year to gear up for this season. This guy could be a badass.
Who We Gained
Here is the quick list. I will write more about these guys in a separate post since this one is already super lengthy and I wanted to write the most about these new guys.
Le'Bryan Nash - G/F, 6'7", 230
Cezar Gurrero - G, 6'0", 175
Philip Jureck - C, 6'11", 270
Marek Soucek - F/C, 7'0", 230
Christien Sager - G, 6'3", 200
There is a lot to be excited, and apprehensive about in Stillwater this season. With the next preview comes the fun part, mixing and matching together a bunch of amazing 5-man lineups out of all this talent.
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Pumped about this season
Too bad all this football is getting in the way.
I have a question. Does Nash have an apostrophe in his name or not? And if so, did he recently add it? Can you just add an apostrophe to your name any time you feel like it?
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by OStateJasper on Oct 25, 2011 12:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I would like to go on record saying this
OSU will be in the top 10 at some point this year and Brian Williams will be a fucking machine.
Thanks.
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Is this as deep as we've ever been?
We have approximately 4 guys that could play at nearly every position. Gonna wear people down with our depth.
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Hope you're right...
The bench has been shallow as shit for the last 2-3 years
This will likely be covered in the next edition, but...
Any thoughts as to which of these kids are likely one and done (Nash?) or do we see most of them sticking around awhile?
I would say
That Nash, Williams, brown, and cobbins are all threats to leave early. Nash being most likely obviously. He has already made statements about hoping the hear his name called in next years draft.
by samuelbryant on Oct 25, 2011 2:03 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Expectations?
“and is expected to outperform the prior seaon’s results…. and by a lot.” So last year was what 18-19 win regular season, 1 W in the conference tourney, NIT…. How much better are we talking? 25 wins regular season? Conference/conference tourney championship? Sweet 16? Elite 8? Win it all?
Put your expectations in print.
For what it's worth...
by Something Witty on Oct 25, 2011 2:03 PM CDT reply actions
hard to pin down # of wins expectation
But I would say everyone is expecting to see a much better brand of basketball this year. I will give some predictions at some point though.
by samuelbryant on Oct 25, 2011 2:55 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Glad you made this post
Cuz i had no idea that some of those guys left(raypenn). But with that said im still very exicted about the season. Cant wait to see Markel throw an alley to LeBryan!
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OSU basketball makes me....
pull out my old Eskimo Joes Coaches Vs Cancer shirts, then i see that its Eddie and Sean,….and then i want a drink. Followed by watching an actual OSU bball game, making me want more drinks. So who on our team is going to be up and down all year and give us the Byron Eaton syndrome? with as much as he “got hurt” he couldve played aggie football…
Pretty sure
Brian Williams redshirt was because he was injured. I agree that him and cobbins will make a difference for this team. We haven’t had the luxury of allowing talent to bulk up and get a year in the system in a long time.
On the Williams injury
That was a weird thing last season. Williams, and members of his family, were coming out and denying any sort of injury, even without being asked if he was injured. The debate of if he was injured or not lasted the first half of the season.
I did speak with someone from the team who didn’t comment on the injury, but said that he was playing at a very high level in practices over the 2nd half of the season.
by samuelbryant on Oct 25, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I watched a practice on Okstate.tv
Gulley is impressive. Much more aggressive on offense than he has been in the past.
Keiton is Keiton. The smartest player on the floor at all times.
Markel’s defense looks better. He still needs work on his jumpshot.
JP missed some outside shots and looked frustrated about it. Not sure if that is good or bad at this point.
Jurick is a beast. Especially on defense. He needs to call for the ball more in the paint.
Cobbins looks like he is still having confidence problems. He needs to use agility more often in the paint.
Soucek might be the best passer on the team. Seriously.
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