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On Cezar Guerrero and Becoming a Transcendent Cowboy Basketball Player

Last night, Cezar Guerrero did something I didn't think was possible right now - he overshadowed the football program.  It may have only been for a few hours, but there was a magical time at about 9:30 last night where more OSU fans were focused on basketball than on our #2 football team. This is what the program needs, transcendent athletes. Can Cezar, and possibly Le'Bryan Nash, become transcendent and bring basketball passion back to the Oklahoma State fanbase?.

In all the talking and complaining that has been done over the past few seasons about attendance at the basketball games continuing to decline, I haven't heard anyone mention what I believe is the main cause of this.  Most theories have pointed to the rise of the football program, the unceremonious exit of the Suttons, the hiring of an "outsider", and lack of success as the culprits for this fall off in interest... and sure, all of these are factors.  But all of this could have happened in 1999 and we still would have gone to the games.  Why?  Because we did not want to risk potentially missing something special from Desmond, Doug and Joe. The thing these last 4 years or so have been lacking as much as anything is exciting players that the fans latch on to. A player or two that transcend wins and losses, that fans indentify with, and that people can't wait to get to GIA to watch play (or even just warm up).

While James Anderson, Obi Muenelo, and Marshall Moses were great Cowboy players, they weren't particularly dynamic.  You were never worried that you might miss something special if you went to the concession stand while they were playing .  I would say the last guy we had that was transcendent like this was JamesOn Curry, and he left 5 seasons ago (I would listen to a case for Eaton, but I always felt the fanbase was torn on him). Could Cezar and Le'Bryan reach this transcendent level?

First, what makes a basketball player transcendent? I think they have to have 2 qualities.

  1. They have to be capable of doing something on the court that is instantly exciting.  Something that can come out of nowhere and turn a game around.  Some examples:
    Dunking ability - Desmond Mason
    Flurry Scoring - Adkins, Curry, Baker, Graham, Allen, Lucas were all capable of a quick scoring flurry that either stretched a lead or brought us back from a deficit.  
    High Energy - Victor Williams, Gottlieb, Andre Williams. Typically non-scorers who could up the tempo, apply defensive pressure, and bring an energy to the team that would spur a nice run.
  2. They have to be relatable to us as fans. We need to see emotion on the court. We need to see them enjoying themselves when things go well and to be fired up and possibly pissed off when things weren't going well. We want to see some semblance of our fan emotions being expressed through the athletes mannerisms, expressions, and play.

Back to the entire topic of this post, could Cezar and/or Le'Bryan leap to this transcendent level and bring a bunch of disenfranchised Oklahoma State basketball fans back to GIA?  If last night is any indicator, Cezar is already there. Don't want to miss a second of action when he is on the court... check.  Shows emotion, plays to the fans, makes us love him... check (times 20).

I have heard plenty of detractors today saying "it was only UTSA".  If you really believe this, you are perpetuating the attitude that has lead to this attendance and interest drop off, and you are a borderline bad fan.  After all, it is only UTSA, why should anyone go to that game?  Every game matters, every game is a big deal because it is Cowboy Damn Basketball and 6 years ago we were pumped up about every freaking game that we were lucky enough to witness.  We didn't become the rowdiest arena in the country because we sat in our living rooms and said "pfftt... it's only UTSA".  It's our job as much as it is Coach Ford's to bring the excitement back, and it starts with caring about every game. (yes this paragraph was off topic, but I have heard this like 10 times today and it was pissing me off)

So no, the rowdy is not back just yet, but I do believe that having an established transcendent player (Cezar), and one that is poised to have his breakout moment (Nash), is a huge step toward getting it back to the level we all want it to be at.  I just hope that right now, everyone is as excited as I am for New York and what this exciting, albeit young and mistake prone, team can do while the nation is watching, and can't wait for the next opportunity to watch them on the white maple.

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That "moment" was special..

…and the “moment” in the huddle was even better! Ford’s quote was priceless!

by Robert Whetsell on Nov 17, 2011 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

Great post

I was in school 01-05 and went to all the games. Waited in line for season tickets. Went reasonably early to try and get decent seats but not too early so my buzz wouldn’t wear off. It is part of why I love OSU and Stillwater so much. Yes, I was spoiled with the time I was there and I realize that. I watched the game on espn3 last night and was very disappointed in the attendance. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING IN STILLWATER ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT?? If you said drown night at Willies, drink before. If you said studying, you are lying. Is the new call of duty game that cool? NO! Swipe that bursar, get some tickets and make GIA special again!

by Upgrayedd on Nov 17, 2011 1:12 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

hey grandpa!

you always knew it was going to be a good time if your were drunk enough to feel slightly nervous about climbing those stairs at GIA. haha

i still remember the year they started letting us use Bursar on concessions there…glorious!

by i poop orange on Nov 17, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm bringing rowdy back, yeah

teach these young eff-ers how to act, yeah
Ah Justin Timberlake, when is he going to make sweet sweet music again?

No thunder this year should help a little. KU is rebuilding so this year’s Big 12 race should be as exciting as any in the past 8-10 years. Texas will still be good but not great. Frank Martin always gets K-State near the top of the conference. Baylor has athletes that can compete. OSU is right there with all of them as far as potential this year. Billie Gillispie is back in the conference at Tech, Turg still runs A&M so those two might not be pushovers. Lon Kruger at OU, who the heck knows how that’s going to turn out? Best part is every one of them will visit GIA this year. I think this BBall season is going to be pretty darn fun to watch.

For what it's worth...

by Something Witty on Nov 17, 2011 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

Turgeon is at Maryland

As for your crowd, I was of the opinion that Sean Sutton killed the fanbase and took away your edge. Some so-so teams after he was fired didn’t help. I like Ford, I think he is going to do great things for y’all.

by Beergut on Nov 17, 2011 5:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I was fortunate enough to get home to turn on the game with around 2 mins left.

Wasn’t fortunate enough attend State during the golden years under Eddie or Sean(not sure any of his count as golden), but did see a couple of Ford coached teams beat a #1 Kansas squad, and roll off three straight conference wins to make the tournament.

I’d put Cezar’s performance last night up with just every great moment I’ve ever seen.

Undoubtedly, a sign were on our way back.

by stillbizzle on Nov 18, 2011 12:00 AM CST reply actions  

Hey whippersnappers...

Randy Rutherford was a transcendent player. During the early nineties final four season, he dropped 11 three pointers – in Allen Fieldhouse, on the way to scoring 45. (That was also the night where Big Country got shut out by Ostertag et al.)

I’d also submit that Big Country was transcendent (and transcontinental), for two reasons. One, he could be incredibly dominant on any given night. (I’m thinking specifically of the home game against Kansas – can’t remember the exact stats, but it was something along the lines of 20 points and 13 rebounds – and still the loudest game I’ve ever seen.) Also, the Final Four shoot around where he shattered the backboard – that was huge.

Oh, and get off of my lawn.

They shall know me by the tang of my bitter and untenable jadedness.

by towski on Nov 18, 2011 12:30 PM CST reply actions  

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