SB Nation Conference Re-Draft: 5 Rounds In the Books
by samuelbryant on Jun 27, 2011 9:50 AM CDT
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We are through 5 rounds, and here is how the board looks so far. (Also, conference names... yeah!)
| The 12 Pack | Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants | Team Speed Kills | Conference TMZ | House of 1000 Sanctions | Cult of Les Miles | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Texas | Florida | Alabama | Ohio State | USC | LSU |
| 2 | Georgia | Penn State | Oklahoma | Florida State | Notre Dame | Michigan |
| 3 | UCLA | Virginia Tech | Nebraska | Louisville | Oregon | North Carolina |
| 4 | Wisconsin | Miami | Texas A&M | Michigan State | Tennessee | Stanford |
| 5 | Washington | Auburn | Arizona | West Virginia | Syracuse | Arkansas |
A nice change from the first 2 rounds as we are now starting to see some basketball schools pop in there (including the widely ridiculed selection of Louisville in the 3rd round), and some selections based more on market and fanbase.
What does everyone think of the way the conferences are shaping up? Which picks were steals (Stanford) and which ones could have been taken a few rounds later (Louisville, VT)? Is TSK trying to accumulate the most annoying fanbases in college athletics... plus Arizona?
We are in round 6 now which I had pegged as the round where Oklahoma State would be taken. And if any of you commissioners or existing conference members need some reasons to pick the Pokes, well how about a top 10 football program, a historically relevant and solid basketball program, 34 wrestling national championships, 10 golf national championships, 50 total national championships, a rabid tight knit fanbase, Garth Brooks, great small town college atmosphere, beaches (yes, I count Lake Carl Blackwell as having a beach), one of the highest rated golf courses in the nation, Chris Gaines, top-notch Ag and engineering programs, and..... I feel like I am forgetting something... hmmm, there was something else I wanted to mention.... I have a nagging feeling that I am forgetting 500 million other reasons that Oklahoma State would make a nice addition to any conference... hmmm.... I'm sure it will come to me.... OH YA...
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I'm not sure if this means that this is how we see Boone, or if it references his ability to grow a glorious money-beard at any time. Either way, you probably want this guy involved in your conference.
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not even going to mention baseball...
fifth most appearances in the CWS sixth in wins and a title…for shame
Baseball?
Oh ya, baseball. I knew I would forget something. But hey, that is more ammo right. “Oklahoma State, where it is easy to overlook one of your most successful programs.”
by samuelbryant on Jun 27, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants
seems to be strongly considering Oklahoma State with their next pick. You just can’t let Chris Gaines alma mater sit through round 7.
The law of averages states that by round 5 every conference will have an "Ugly Girl"...
The 12’ve Pack: UGA in round two.
SotTP: VT before Miami
T:SK: ARIZONA not a value pick even in R5.
CTMZ: Congrats, Louisville is the ugly girl of the whole draft thus far…
Ho1kS: Syracuse looks downright puny next to ND and USC.
CoLM: North Carolina If you’re gonna pick a BB school, KU was available. Or if you’re into throwing picks away, how about Duke? Also, you’re not the cult of Les Miles unless you pick OKST 3rd round.
by Yachoffsmirnoff on Jun 27, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
Not having the Big 12 represented in the six conference "commissioners" was a huge oversight.
Innovators look at the same thing as everyone else, yet see something different.
by K. Scott Bailey on Jun 27, 2011 12:54 PM CDT reply actions
maybe
Im not sure any remaining Big 12 teams should be slam dunk picks over who is in there.
I would take OSU over Louisville, West Virginia, Syracuse, North Carolina, and maybe Virginia Tech, but that is me. I can see the reasoning for taking any of those over OSU, or any remaining Big 12 school.
by samuelbryant on Jun 27, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Explain it to me, then.
Explain why any of those teams are a reasonable pick ahead of Mizzou or Okie State particularly. Hell, I’d take K-State over Louisville. No, I think it’s pretty clear that not having a Big 12 representative is a pretty large oversight.
Innovators look at the same thing as everyone else, yet see something different.
by K. Scott Bailey on Jun 28, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I may be missing something
I’m not from anywhere near Oklahoma, so you’re going to have to bear with me. What is it exactly that makes Oklahoma State so valuable?
I’ll tell you right now that I have a VERY hard time valuing them similarly to UNC. UNC has top tier academics, a very populous state, one of only about 6 brand names in basketball, and decent football (brand name and football matter the most, because that’s what makes the most money while relating well to fans). From my perspective, Oklahoma State TRADITIONALLY has decent football and decent basketball.
by Art Corvelay on Jun 29, 2011 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
All depends on what you value I guess
I assumed revenue would be a bigger deal than it is. I think most of the conferences are drafting based on their own perceptions of the programs like you are, and the fact is that the Big 12 is seen by most of the country as being in the middle of nowhere.
I see that Oklahoma State is a top 25 revenue generating program and has the 4th most national championships of any school and think it would be a desirable pick, but again, the perception of OSU being desirable is not there.
by samuelbryant on Jun 30, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
This post is a prime example of why it was a mistake to not have Big 12 representation.
Innovators look at the same thing as everyone else, yet see something different.
by K. Scott Bailey on Jun 30, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Im agreeing with you now
Round 6 was ridiculous.
spoiler: Clemson, Duke, and Maryland are off the board.
by samuelbryant on Jun 30, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair
I’m not saying that the Big 12 isn’t getting slighted more than the other schools. I would guess that they are somewhat. I do think it would have made the most sense to have one commissioner from each AQ conference represented, but being the first time, it’s understandable that flaws would come out.
by Art Corvelay on Jun 29, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
To explain the rest
Syracuse is good at basketball, better academically, and traditionally, save for the last 20 or so years, better at football than OSU (I only say that because they’re something like top 10 in all-time wins in football). West Virginia is better in both basketball and football, and has a more rabid fan base. Louisville is very good in basketball, and was very good in football more recently than the Cowboys, although in just about every other category I’d call the two comparable.
by Art Corvelay on Jun 29, 2011 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
um
if you give Syracuse credit for being great at football a long time ago, then Oklahoma State should be considered a top 15 bball program just based on what Henry Iba did for the sport.
by samuelbryant on Jun 30, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Big 12
Every time I wanted to pick a Big 12 team, they were either just taken (Missouri) or were taken too soon (Oklahoma) … trust me, I wanted a Big 12 team by now. It just didn’t pan out.
I’d be happy to engage in debate about why Syracuse is a more valuable pick than Missouri, though. These types of conversations are the best.
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by Cory Williams on Jul 2, 2011 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps this has been talked about, but I was either drunk or lazy and missed it,
But are we going to remember the new conferences and add up wins/losses at the end of the season and declare a victor?
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by AUKingOState on Jun 27, 2011 3:18 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The scales of sucess were based on more than just wins/losses.
Otherwise, somebody would be having to defend that Notre Dame pick.
Illinois should have gone by now
Strong ties to the Chicago and St. Louis markets. Solid basketball program, mediocre football but still a good tv draw because of the aforementioned markets. If they only had a mascot they’d really be a force to be reckoned with…
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I PROBABLY shouldn't share this, because it demonstrates how big of a loser I am, but . . .
For fun, I actually conducted a 6-conference, 10-team realignment mock draft based on the given criteria, and here’s what I came up with:
1-1 Texas 1-2 USC 1-3 Ohio St 1-4 Florida 1-5 Michigan 1-6 Alabama
2-12 Fl State 2-11 Miami 2-10 Neb 2-9 Okla 2-8 Note Da 2-7 Penn St
3-13 Tx A&M 3-14 UCLA 3-15 Pitt 3-16 LSU 3-17 UNC 3-18 Auburn
4-24 Kent 4-23 Va Tech 4-22 Kan 4-21 UGA 4-20 Duke 4-19 Wisc
5-25 Tenn 5-26 Stan 5-27 UCONN 5-28 Mizzou 5-29 Mich St 5-30 Oregon
6-36 Lsvlle 6-35 Mrylnd 6-34 Illinois 6-33 Colo 6-32 Purdue 6-31 Wash
7-37 Ariz 7-38 Utah 7-39 Indiana 7-40 BYU 7-41 TCU 7-42 Oreg St
8-48 Boise 8-47 Cal 8-46 Ga Tech 8-45 Ark 8-44 Kan St 8-43 Clemson
9-49 Syr 9-50 Nthwstrn 9-51 W. Va 9-52 Ok Ste 9-53 Ariz St 9-54 S. Caro 10-60 Rutg 10-59 Minn 10-58 BCU 10-57 Cinci 10-56 NC St 10-55 Tx Tech
The 1st number depicts the round, the 2nd number the overall pick.
I was big in to
preserving rivalries, picking up brand names, following themes, (i.e. bball conference, academic conference, etc.), and academics. Here’s how it shaped up:
Team 1: Texas, Fla St, Texas A&M, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisville, Arizona, Boise, Syracuse, and Rutgers
Team 2: USC, Miami, UCLA, Virginia Tech, Stanford, Maryland, Utah, Cal, Northwestern, and Minnesota
Team 3: Ohio State, Nebraska, Pitt, Kansas, UCONN, Illinois, Indiana, Georgia Tech, West Virginia, and Boston College
Team 4: Florida, Oklahoma, LSU, Georgia, Missouri, Colorado, BYU, Arkansas, Oklahoma State, and Cincinnati
Team 5: Michigan, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Duke, Michigan State, Purdue, TCU, Kansas State, Arizona State, and NC State
Team 6: Alabama, Penn State, Auburn, Wisconsin, Oregon, Washington, Oregon State, Clemson, South Carolina, and Texas Tech
by Art Corvelay on Jun 30, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
WOW
you went all out. As I said above, I can see the justification in any of the picks. There are thousands of aspects to a school and athletic program and everyone values something different. The idea of one program being so much better than another is so abstract yet it is the most talked about thing between college sports fans. We are a weird bunch.
by samuelbryant on Jun 30, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
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