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Why The Oklahoma State Cowboy Football Team Could Go 7-5 (Devil's Advocate)

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How is that for a controversial title?

The nature of college athletics is that a team will average around 25% personnel turnover each season, then another small bit of coaching or administrative turnover, and preseason expectations are made based on the 75% of the product that is returning, and how the new 25% will mesh. Every college football pre-season these facets are weighed and it always plays out the same way among homer fans/blogs/message boards.... barring massive important personnel turnover, improvement over last season is assumed. It is assumed that the returning starters and lettermen will take a step forward with another year of experience under their belts, it is assumed that where personnel were lost that the backups were ready to step in anyway, and the main overall assumption, it is assumed that the unknown factors will work out in your team's favor.

We are as homer as it gets here at CRFF. We assume that Todd will easily be able to replace everything Dana did on the field and in the casino, that Orie Lemon is replaceable, that the defense has no where to go but up, so naturally, they will go up, etc, etc. Well I wanted to take a post to look at the other side of things.  To take the unknown factors around the Cowboy team and assume they don't work out in our favor.  To see what could happen to bring this team down to the level where we thought they would never be again.... 7 wins and a Pinstripe Bowl appearance.  So without further unnecessary buildup.... here is a list of factors that could cause a step back from last season (in no particular order):

Disclaimer: This isn't really about the Cowboys going exactly 7-5, it is more just a look at the factors that could lead to a worse than expected season.... and it is meant to piss Royal off.

What if Dana Holgorsen really was the power behind the offense?
Let's start with the most publicized one.  Sure Dana made some questionable playcalls in some close games, especially when protecting a late lead, but it is really hard to argue with a top 3 offense. I realize that he was unconventional and to many his departure was welcome and is expected to give a boost to a tired defense, but there is a reason that everywhere Dana has gone has seen a sharp improvement on offense and overall team record upon his arrival. Dana commands respect and fear from opposing defensive coordinators. Entire gameplans are developed around what crazy things Dana might do. Now that the respect and fear is somewhat diminished, defenses will try to force their gameplan on the Oklahoma State offense instead of the other way around.  Maybe this will work out in the Pokes favor, but in keeping with the theme of this post, maybe it won't.

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What if The loss of Dan Bailey hurts the kicking game?
I really haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. We all do remember that Dan won the Groza award last year right?  That he was considered to be the best place-kicker in the nation? I know we all love Quinn, and we love Bobby Stonebraker's name, but there is a reason Dan was the place kicker last season, he was the most talented of the group.  Field goal kicking is a bit of a wildcard as often times entire months go by without it even being an issue, but let's say this offense can't put it in the endzone as easily as last season due to issue #1 above, then it stands to reason that the kicking game becomes that much more important.  And if that is the case, then I can't see it helping the team to have lost the best kicker in the nation.

What if the Defensive Line takes a step back?
Losing the 2 starting DT's is somewhat of a big deal, but the way they rotated them in last season it shouldn't be too difficult to replace the top 2, and the loss of Ugo Chinasa is a blow as well... but I think the main concern with the line is that given the losses mentioned, how will they take a step forward? How will they improve upon a pass rush that most times required an extra rusher or two to get pressure last season? Perhaps Richetti Jones is finally 100% and hopefully everyone else stays healthy because the depth isn't that deep, but given all the losses, I would say that a reasonable level of expectation of this unit would be to take a slight step back from last season.  Which means opposing teams in passing situations are once again going to see plenty of 6 second pocket time for QBs, or extra blitzers from the Pokes leaving holes in the secondary.

What if the Linebackers are thinking too much?
Call me a pessimist, but not knowing who will be starting at 2 of the 3 LB spots a week before the first game isn't a sign of too much talent, it is a sign of inexperience.  Physically, Caleb Lavey, Tyler Johnson, Alex Elkins, Joe Mitchell, and Kris Catlin are all good to go, but the linebacker position isn't just played with athleticism.  It is a very instinctual position where a tenth-of-a-second of "thinking" time is the difference between a stop and James Hanna out-jogging everyone to the endzone (that hurt to type... sorry for making you read that sentence)

What if the loss of Kendall Hunter is a bigger deal than we think it is?
Maybe Joe, Jeremy, and Herschel can replace all the things Kendall did, but then again, since this is a listing of the unknowns that could come back to bite us, maybe they can't. The main thing I would worry about replacing was Kendall's excellent pass blocking skills as I think we have seen enough evidence of Joe and Jeremy's running talents to know they can handle that part of the job. But let's not forget that Kendall's amazing ability to not only see blitzing linebackers, but to handle them one-on-one was as much of a reason for the low sack totals last season as anything else.

What if the Road Schedule proves too daunting?
@A&M, @Texas, @Mizzou, @Texas Tech.  You never know how the season will unfold, but right now the Pokes would only be favored in one of those games, and it would be as a slight favorite.

What if the Pokes aren't as fortunate as last season?
Last season was fairly lucky. Sure, to some extent you make your own luck, but last season the ball bounced the Pokes way much more often than it did not.

Good LuckBad Luck
No gameplan altering injuries DT nagging injuries hurt line depth
Blackmon's suspension being served against a very beatable opponent Blackmon being 50% for Bedlam
Turnover Margin (34-22) Taylor Martinez taking Randall Cunningham pills the day he faced the Cowboys
Jerrod Johnson  
Favorable road schedule (@ULL, @Tech, @K-State, @UT, @Kansas)

In all, the bad luck column are pretty small things, while the good luck was very good. And yes, plenty of this luck was generated by hustle and solid play, but sometimes, in spite of sound play, things just don't work out for you.  This was not the case last season, but it could happen this season.

Well that was a boner-killer of a post wasn't it?  Keep in mind here, I am not saying all these things will affect the Cowboys negatively, just that the potential is out there for it to happen.  Hell, the counter-argument can be made that if all these things work out the Pokes are 12-0. Odds are, some of these factors work out in the Pokes favor, and some do not, and the determination of how the season turns out will hinge on how many factors swing each way.

ps. this post will serve as proof that we aren't ragingly insane homers and we will link to it when accused of such.

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Taylor Martinez taking Randall Cunningham pills the day he faced the Cowboys

That still hurts. I bet he doesn’t have a game like that in the big10 this year.

For what it's worth...

by Something Witty on Aug 29, 2011 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Reasonable questions? What that hell?

But if we’re going to do this I have one; will Tracey Moore, Hubert Antyium, Colton Chelf, or some of our young receivers step up and take pressure off black and white mon.

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by AUKingOState on Aug 29, 2011 8:55 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Thanks....

for pissin in my wheaties this morning! ahh, fuck it, Go Pokes!

by i poop orange on Aug 29, 2011 9:01 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

No problem

I really didn’t mean this to be that much of a downer. I wright this stuff for me as much as for the reader(s), and personally I was starting to feel like I was looking at everything from far too optimistic of an angle. I wanted to force myself to take a look at the other side of the coin and list the reasons things could all come crumbling down. And honestly… there weren’t as many negatives as I thought there would be. And…. we know all these factors aren’t going to go against the Pokes. There will be surprise breakout stars, schemes to account for weak spots, etc, and the final result will be somewhere in between this post and our other, more homer infused, predictions. I personally still think the conference winner will come down to Bedlam.

by samuelbryant on Aug 29, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

i understand why you did it....

and it must have sucked. nothing like trying to write and article of why your team will lose. well at least we can say here on CRFF that weve been supplied with the full picture and cant be suprised by anything. how many beers did it take to power through this one…

by i poop orange on Aug 29, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

the questions about hunter and bailey are underrated and legitimate

no one seems to think losing either of these guys is a big deal. when is losing 2 all-americans not a big deal?

by OStateJasper on Aug 29, 2011 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Rumor around town is

That all summer Monken has been playing his Phil Collins Pandora station nonstop while drinking Red Bull and doing his best Mike Leach impression

by Upgrayedd on Aug 29, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Locking assholes in closets?

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by AUKingOState on Aug 29, 2011 11:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

We are homers..

But that isn’t us. We ranked the Cowboys at #6 in our official poll.

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by CincyJoe on Aug 29, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

my bad

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by Jordan Esco on Aug 29, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

ease off...

give the sooner credit for trying to make some sense after reading what he learned to “word papers” ha

by i poop orange on Aug 29, 2011 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Sam, here are my legitimate concerns (you dick)

1. The graduation of Dan Bailey is a definitely a concern. With that said, Sharp has given every indication in practice that he can fill that role (capped off by nailing a 62 yarder) and also, he has orange shoes just like Bailey so he should be automatic, right?

2. While the starters are set at the LB positions (Lavey, Elkins, Lewis), this is definitely my biggest concern going into the season. Especially the Will spot. Like Sam said, athleticism only goes so far. How well we do on defense will depend on how fast Elkins and Lavey can react to the play instead of thinking first.

3. This hasn’t really been mentioned yet but I thought Holgorsen’s best attribute was how well he made halftime adjustments. OSU’s biggest scoring advantage came in the third quarters of games. Can Monken adjust with just as much success as Holgorsen did? That’s something I’ll be keeping an eye on this season.

by Royal John on Aug 29, 2011 12:05 PM CDT reply actions  

btw

devils advocate is terrible. One of keanus worst, and that is saying something.

by OStateJasper on Aug 29, 2011 4:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I'll have to disagree...

While Keanu is getting felatio…..just….awwwwwwwww…………..

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by KWashburn on Aug 31, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good stuff. Luck is a 2 edged sword.

I wouldnt want my QB teaching the OC the offense. In any circumstance.

by OU JJ on Aug 29, 2011 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Gundy said today that the MDM Brandon Weeden will be calling all plays.

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by AUKingOState on Aug 29, 2011 6:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Excellent article

Good read, way to look at the “what if things don’t go our way” scenario. The Jerrod Johnson line on the good luck side made me laugh.

by whomper on Aug 29, 2011 6:07 PM CDT reply actions  

over/under

The over/under in vegas is 8.5 wins.

by Vinnie Boelte on Aug 29, 2011 6:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Road Schedule vs. Home Field Advantage?

As Coach Pat Jones once said: Home field advantage is over rated. (Okay, I paraphrased that one.) More to the point, good (veteran and mature) teams play well on the road, whereas average and bad (younger and inexperienced) teams struggle on the road. Would you believe that the Pokes have won more Bedlam games in Norman than they have in Stillwater?

In the last few years, OSU has been among the leaders in winning games on the road. If memory serves, they’re tied with Virginia Tech for best in the nation. Wow. Coach Gundy is the man.

This proves the point that we shouldn’t worry too much about the road schedule. If anything, winning will create more pub and score more points with the pollsters when it comes time to figure out the BCS rankings in October. Go Pokes!

by G-Block on Aug 29, 2011 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Good point G Block

Winning out on a tough road schedule will get us more warm fuzzy points with the pollsters. I am all for squeezing out the most juice possible out of every win.

by htownpoke on Aug 29, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

The biggest concern has been totally ignored in this thread

OSU’s DB’s are a collective sieve!

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Aug 29, 2011 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Not really

Actually it was pretty rare for outisde wide recievers to abuse us last season. Usually it was the inside guys that had the big games against us. The problem stemmed more from a poor pass rush, missed underneath assignments, and a defense that was flat out tired thanks to an offense that played at a ridiculously fast tempo. Not saying there aren’t problems on defense, but the man-to-man cover skills of OSU’s DB’s are on par with about anyone else in the Big 12.

by tatum bells luggage on Aug 29, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

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